vista not boot

I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)
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Cheers, Tinkerer

If you press F8 at the boot menu, there should be an option to disable the automatic restart to allow you to get the BSOD message. ---------- Mark Dietz PROnetworks <http://www.pro-networks.org>
Tinkerer wrote:

I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)

You should be able to also freeze the BSOD same way as in XP: .
Hit the windows + pause break key (brings up System Properties dialogue box>advanced tab>at the bottom of box hit the settings button under the heading "startup and recovery">Clear the Automatically restart check box, and click OK the necessary number of times.Restart your computer for the settings to take effect.
See: (to save a link for this):
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx
I want to give you some information on Recovery/Repair Options in Vista since it's a great metaphor for MSFT's "Let them Eat Cake" approach to their non-enterpise cusotmers. MSFT's SR team and the Win RE team and associated teams should get off their butts and make a Video that is comprehensive for the public and start giving some Live Meetings for the Public on this feature. I don't see any scheduled anywhere from them. Past ones I've seen throw up a Win RE slide with tiny bullet points and then don't explain the bullet points--suggesting that the Vista team needs a little Power Point 101.
***To fix your Vista Boot use your Vista DVD and use the Win RE options this way:***
There is a promising "feature" or utility in Vista called Win RE or Windows Recovery Environment. Unfortunately, MSFT has published ***no information on it on their site,*** so that if Vista evokes a metaphor of a broad horizon, they are encouraging you to explore many of the features in it by flying by the seat of your pants. What I'm saying is it was unprofessional and brain dead of MSFT to release Vista to the public with no info anywhere on their site or in Help on how to use their recovery tools:
How to Use Win RE to fix your Vista Boot:
***Accessing Windows RE (Repair Environment):***
1) Insert Media into PC
2) ***You will see on the Vista logo setup screen after lang. options in the lower left corner, a link called "System Recovery Options."***
3) Select your OS for repair.
4) Its been my experience that you can see some causes of the crash from the Win RE feature, but as is SOP with errors from Windows, most of them are written in unintelligible encrypted language, hex or otherwise, that are often metastatically and ectopically scattered to the four corners of the operating system. They also have cute names like Sometimes at least one of them is in English.
From ***Help in Vista***--(No mention on several of the Win RE options like Fabricant).
If you type Win RE in current Vista Help and Support you come up with this scant information: ( I was curious to see what the Win RE associated teams offer and it's very scant considering they have nothing on the MSFT site at all and two elementary school level paragraphs in the cheerleading so-called Windows Product Guide):
Startup Repair. Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from starting. It is located on the Windows installation disc and, depending on your computer, might also be stored on your computer's hard disk. For more information, see Startup Repair: frequently asked questions.
Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from starting correctly. When you run Startup Repair, it scans your computer for the problem and then tries to fix it so your computer can start correctly.
If you experience problems while trying to run Startup Repair, or if your computer does not include the Startup Repair tool, your computer manufacturer might have customized or replaced the tool. Check the information that came with your computer or go to the manufacturer's website.
How do I use Startup Repair? Startup Repair is located on the Windows installation disc. If Windows fails to start, insert the Windows installation disc, restart your computer, and click View system recovery options (advanced). Type a user name and password of an account on the computer, and then click Startup Repair from the list of recovery tools. If necessary, Startup Repair might prompt you to make choices as it tries to fix the problem.
Some computer manufacturers might install Startup Repair on your computer's hard disk. If Windows does not start correctly, Startup Repair can start automatically and try to fix the problem. If Startup Repair is stored on your hard disk, you can also access the system recovery options menu from the Windows Advanced Startup Options menu. For more information, see Advanced startup options (including safe mode).
(Theoretically Vista back up the registry every six hours and makes these backups available to Win RE. System Restore can also be run from Win RE outside Windows now theoretically but the SR team did not set it up to save the restore points you have if you go to your XP boot--ridiculous and as of this moment they haven't got Vista manufacturing restore points the way it was designed to do and often it won't.Win RE can be launched directly from the installation media that MSFT saysit will mail out to people if they pay for shipping. If you burn the ISO, Win RE canbe launched directly from it. It fixed a registry corruption caused by theerratic damaging SFC (SystemFile Checker) that the developers and Product Managers on the Vista team have crafted for Vista. This tool is targeting fixing corruptdrivers, registry corruption, drivers and that are not compatible with your hardware, and OS upgrades that are unstable and crash with BSOD stop errors, and a few other no start problems that will be elucidated when and if someone from MSFT ever rights an intelligent article on this feature.
In other words, they turned Vista loose on the public without explaining many of its features, includingthe ones that are designed to save your OS. I consider saving the OS a fairly important priority. It's hard for me to discern what priority MSFT gives it.
***Note to you MSFTies in the secluded campus with no contact with the real world outside the Redmond Washington campus when it comes to using a computer and how to help your public Vista users (since you have no sense or seeming concern whatsoever that people subenterprise actually try to use and fix Vista and other software you make, Why don't you go next door and see how your non-computer employed neighbors can use Win RE? I already have discussed the fact that 500 million projected OEM preinstalled Vista buyers won't actually have access to Win RE because as in XP the OEM media won't reach it (in XP 99% of the time the media from OEM won't repair and it can't do a Repair Install in XP{
***What that means in the real world all you Softies is you have scores of people who need to use the tool, being told anything but information about the tool, because you haven't gotten off your slow butts and written up a decent article on Technet or MSDN on Win RE even though you employ a slew of technical writers on the Vista teams who are supposed to be doing this. If I were a PM at MSFT, I wouldn't dream of releasing Vista to the public without having given them one molecule of instruction on how to repair the operating system with new tools. What kind of consideration for your customers does that show???????? Absolutely none!!!***
Good luck Tinkerer,
CH

"Tinkerer" wrote in message

I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)
--
Cheers, Tinkerer

I have seen at least one live meeting on this. It was earlier this week. It was very general but it looks like more is coming.
"Chad Harris" wrote in message

You should be able to also freeze the BSOD same way as in XP: .
Hit the windows + pause break key (brings up System Properties dialogue box>advanced tab>at the bottom of box hit the settings button under the heading "startup and recovery">Clear the Automatically restart check box, and click OK the necessary number of times.Restart your computer for the settings to take effect.
See: (to save a link for this):
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx
I want to give you some information on Recovery/Repair Options in Vista since it's a great metaphor for MSFT's "Let them Eat Cake" approach to their non-enterpise cusotmers. MSFT's SR team and the Win RE team and associated teams should get off their butts and make a Video that is comprehensive for the public and start giving some Live Meetings for the Public on this feature. I don't see any scheduled anywhere from them. Past ones I've seen throw up a Win RE slide with tiny bullet points and then don't explain the bullet points--suggesting that the Vista team needs a little Power Point 101.
***To fix your Vista Boot use your Vista DVD and use the Win RE options this way:***
There is a promising "feature" or utility in Vista called Win RE or Windows Recovery Environment. Unfortunately, MSFT has published ***no information on it on their site,*** so that if Vista evokes a metaphor of a broad horizon, they are encouraging you to explore many of the features in it by flying by the seat of your pants. What I'm saying is it was unprofessional and brain dead of MSFT to release Vista to the public with no info anywhere on their site or in Help on how to use their recovery tools:
How to Use Win RE to fix your Vista Boot:
***Accessing Windows RE (Repair Environment):***
1) Insert Media into PC
2) ***You will see on the Vista logo setup screen after lang. options in the lower left corner, a link called "System Recovery Options."***
3) Select your OS for repair.
4) Its been my experience that you can see some causes of the crash from the Win RE feature, but as is SOP with errors from Windows, most of them are written in unintelligible encrypted language, hex or otherwise, that are often metastatically and ectopically scattered to the four corners of the operating system. They also have cute names like Sometimes at least one of them is in English.
From ***Help in Vista***--(No mention on several of the Win RE options like Fabricant).
If you type Win RE in current Vista Help and Support you come up with this scant information: ( I was curious to see what the Win RE associated teams offer and it's very scant considering they have nothing on the MSFT site at all and two elementary school level paragraphs in the cheerleading so-called Windows Product Guide):
Startup Repair. Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from starting. It is located on the Windows installation disc and, depending on your computer, might also be stored on your computer's hard disk. For more information, see Startup Repair: frequently asked questions.
Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from starting correctly. When you run Startup Repair, it scans your computer for the problem and then tries to fix it so your computer can start correctly.
If you experience problems while trying to run Startup Repair, or if your computer does not include the Startup Repair tool, your computer manufacturer might have customized or replaced the tool. Check the information that came with your computer or go to the manufacturer's website.
How do I use Startup Repair? Startup Repair is located on the Windows installation disc. If Windows fails to start, insert the Windows installation disc, restart your computer, and click View system recovery options (advanced). Type a user name and password of an account on the computer, and then click Startup Repair from the list of recovery tools. If necessary, Startup Repair might prompt you to make choices as it tries to fix the problem.
Some computer manufacturers might install Startup Repair on your computer's hard disk. If Windows does not start correctly, Startup Repair can start automatically and try to fix the problem. If Startup Repair is stored on your hard disk, you can also access the system recovery options menu from the Windows Advanced Startup Options menu. For more information, see Advanced startup options (including safe mode).
(Theoretically Vista back up the registry every six hours and makes these backups available to Win RE. System Restore can also be run from Win RE outside Windows now theoretically but the SR team did not set it up to save the restore points you have if you go to your XP boot--ridiculous and as of this moment they haven't got Vista manufacturing restore points the way it was designed to do and often it won't.Win RE can be launched directly from the installation media that MSFT saysit will mail out to people if they pay for shipping. If you burn the ISO, Win RE canbe launched directly from it. It fixed a registry corruption caused by theerratic damaging SFC (SystemFile Checker) that the developers and Product Managers on the Vista team have crafted for Vista. This tool is targeting fixing corruptdrivers, registry corruption, drivers and that are not compatible with your hardware, and OS upgrades that are unstable and crash with BSOD stop errors, and a few other no start problems that will be elucidated when and if someone from MSFT ever rights an intelligent article on this feature.
In other words, they turned Vista loose on the public without explaining many of its features, includingthe ones that are designed to save your OS. I consider saving the OS a fairly important priority. It's hard for me to discern what priority MSFT gives it.
***Note to you MSFTies in the secluded campus with no contact with the real world outside the Redmond Washington campus when it comes to using a computer and how to help your public Vista users (since you have no sense or seeming concern whatsoever that people subenterprise actually try to use and fix Vista and other software you make, Why don't you go next door and see how your non-computer employed neighbors can use Win RE? I already have discussed the fact that 500 million projected OEM preinstalled Vista buyers won't actually have access to Win RE because as in XP the OEM media won't reach it (in XP 99% of the time the media from OEM won't repair and it can't do a Repair Install in XP{
***What that means in the real world all you Softies is you have scores of people who need to use the tool, being told anything but information about the tool, because you haven't gotten off your slow butts and written up a decent article on Technet or MSDN on Win RE even though you employ a slew of technical writers on the Vista teams who are supposed to be doing this. If I were a PM at MSFT, I wouldn't dream of releasing Vista to the public without having given them one molecule of instruction on how to repair the operating system with new tools. What kind of consideration for your customers does that show???????? Absolutely none!!!***
Good luck Tinkerer,
CH

"Tinkerer" wrote in message I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)
--
Cheers, Tinkerer

Too stupid for a beta OS.
When you help someone like this they will just be back in a few more days with more stupid question.
This group is being flooded with moronic questions: How do I get a product key Where do I get a driver for xyz hardware Won't install on my lapotop Won't install on my computer circa 1968 My crappy video card won't run aero glass (the sky is falling) My crappy sound card doesn't work Can't figure out how to activate Will my 16 bit program from 1992 run on Vista How long can I use Vista Beta How do I dual boot I NEED STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO GET XP BACK cannot delete windows.old file
Ignore them, children should only listen to adult conversations, not be incouraged to join in.
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:58:03 -0400, "Tinkerer" wrote:

I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)

"Chad Harris" wrote in message

You should be able to also freeze the BSOD same way as in XP: .
Hit the windows + pause break key (brings up System Properties dialogue box>advanced tab>at the bottom of box hit the settings button under the heading "startup and recovery">Clear the Automatically restart check box, and click OK the necessary number of times.Restart your computer for the settings to take effect.
See: (to save a link for this):
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx

Okay... so, you put the Vista installation disk in and have it boot from the disk. Then at the install screen, hit install, then the language screen, and then "Recovery Options" should be listed. Right? Can the recovery options be run from the disk after booting up into Vista or XP?
This could have come in handy for me yesterday. After using this beta for about two weeks and rather impressed with it- for a beta- last night I could not boot into Vista. The boot screen showed both OSs, but when I chose Vista, it said could not find winload.exe (?). I could boot to XP.
Thanks to a post by droid about accessing bootsect.exe from the DVD via XP, I ran the cmd "d:\boot\bootsect /nt60 F:" This seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks for pointing me that way, droid.
-Michael

Thanks! That did the trick! Error message as follows:
A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.
If this is the first time you've seen this stop error screen, restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow these steps:
Check for viruses on your computer. Remove any newly installed hard drives or hard drive controllers. Check your hard drive to make sure it is properly configured and terminated. Run CHKDSK /F to check for hard drive corruption, and then restart your computer.
Technical Information: ***STOP: 0x0000007B (0x80805BB0, 0xc0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000)
This error message seems to lead me back to what I'd originally thought, that the problem lies within the Promise Fastrack RAID controller.
Do you know if anyone has used Windows dynamic disk with Vista? If so, that could be an option I'll have to look into, because it doesn't look like I'll be able to use my RAID array.
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Cheers, Tinkerer
"Mark Dietz" wrote in message

If you press F8 at the boot menu, there should be an option to disable the automatic restart to allow you to get the BSOD message. ---------- Mark Dietz PROnetworks <http://www.pro-networks.org
Tinkerer wrote: I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)

I have already used the System Recovery Options that are on the DVD, and haven't had any luck with that. The Startup repair tool can't fix the problem and doesn't give me any meaningful information in that it doesn't find anything wrong, just says there was a setup failure. I'll try the windows + pause break key to see if it's a more permanent solution than F8 on bootup. Thanks Chad!
--
Cheers, Tinkerer
"Chad Harris" wrote in message

You should be able to also freeze the BSOD same way as in XP: .
Hit the windows + pause break key (brings up System Properties dialogue box>advanced tab>at the bottom of box hit the settings button under the heading "startup and recovery">Clear the Automatically restart check box, and click OK the necessary number of times.Restart your computer for the settings to take effect.
See: (to save a link for this):
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx
I want to give you some information on Recovery/Repair Options in Vista since it's a great metaphor for MSFT's "Let them Eat Cake" approach to their non-enterpise cusotmers. MSFT's SR team and the Win RE team and associated teams should get off their butts and make a Video that is comprehensive for the public and start giving some Live Meetings for the Public on this feature. I don't see any scheduled anywhere from them. Past ones I've seen throw up a Win RE slide with tiny bullet points and then don't explain the bullet points--suggesting that the Vista team needs a little Power Point 101.
***To fix your Vista Boot use your Vista DVD and use the Win RE options this way:***
There is a promising "feature" or utility in Vista called Win RE or Windows Recovery Environment. Unfortunately, MSFT has published ***no information on it on their site,*** so that if Vista evokes a metaphor of a broad horizon, they are encouraging you to explore many of the features in it by flying by the seat of your pants. What I'm saying is it was unprofessional and brain dead of MSFT to release Vista to the public with no info anywhere on their site or in Help on how to use their recovery tools:
How to Use Win RE to fix your Vista Boot:
***Accessing Windows RE (Repair Environment):***
1) Insert Media into PC
2) ***You will see on the Vista logo setup screen after lang. options in the lower left corner, a link called "System Recovery Options."***
3) Select your OS for repair.
4) Its been my experience that you can see some causes of the crash from the Win RE feature, but as is SOP with errors from Windows, most of them are written in unintelligible encrypted language, hex or otherwise, that are often metastatically and ectopically scattered to the four corners of the operating system. They also have cute names like Sometimes at least one of them is in English.
From ***Help in Vista***--(No mention on several of the Win RE options like Fabricant).
If you type Win RE in current Vista Help and Support you come up with this scant information: ( I was curious to see what the Win RE associated teams offer and it's very scant considering they have nothing on the MSFT site at all and two elementary school level paragraphs in the cheerleading so-called Windows Product Guide):
Startup Repair. Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from starting. It is located on the Windows installation disc and, depending on your computer, might also be stored on your computer's hard disk. For more information, see Startup Repair: frequently asked questions.
Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from starting correctly. When you run Startup Repair, it scans your computer for the problem and then tries to fix it so your computer can start correctly.
If you experience problems while trying to run Startup Repair, or if your computer does not include the Startup Repair tool, your computer manufacturer might have customized or replaced the tool. Check the information that came with your computer or go to the manufacturer's website.
How do I use Startup Repair? Startup Repair is located on the Windows installation disc. If Windows fails to start, insert the Windows installation disc, restart your computer, and click View system recovery options (advanced). Type a user name and password of an account on the computer, and then click Startup Repair from the list of recovery tools. If necessary, Startup Repair might prompt you to make choices as it tries to fix the problem.
Some computer manufacturers might install Startup Repair on your computer's hard disk. If Windows does not start correctly, Startup Repair can start automatically and try to fix the problem. If Startup Repair is stored on your hard disk, you can also access the system recovery options menu from the Windows Advanced Startup Options menu. For more information, see Advanced startup options (including safe mode).
(Theoretically Vista back up the registry every six hours and makes these backups available to Win RE. System Restore can also be run from Win RE outside Windows now theoretically but the SR team did not set it up to save the restore points you have if you go to your XP boot--ridiculous and as of this moment they haven't got Vista manufacturing restore points the way it was designed to do and often it won't.Win RE can be launched directly from the installation media that MSFT saysit will mail out to people if they pay for shipping. If you burn the ISO, Win RE canbe launched directly from it. It fixed a registry corruption caused by theerratic damaging SFC (SystemFile Checker) that the developers and Product Managers on the Vista team have crafted for Vista. This tool is targeting fixing corruptdrivers, registry corruption, drivers and that are not compatible with your hardware, and OS upgrades that are unstable and crash with BSOD stop errors, and a few other no start problems that will be elucidated when and if someone from MSFT ever rights an intelligent article on this feature.
In other words, they turned Vista loose on the public without explaining many of its features, includingthe ones that are designed to save your OS. I consider saving the OS a fairly important priority. It's hard for me to discern what priority MSFT gives it.
***Note to you MSFTies in the secluded campus with no contact with the real world outside the Redmond Washington campus when it comes to using a computer and how to help your public Vista users (since you have no sense or seeming concern whatsoever that people subenterprise actually try to use and fix Vista and other software you make, Why don't you go next door and see how your non-computer employed neighbors can use Win RE? I already have discussed the fact that 500 million projected OEM preinstalled Vista buyers won't actually have access to Win RE because as in XP the OEM media won't reach it (in XP 99% of the time the media from OEM won't repair and it can't do a Repair Install in XP{
***What that means in the real world all you Softies is you have scores of people who need to use the tool, being told anything but information about the tool, because you haven't gotten off your slow butts and written up a decent article on Technet or MSDN on Win RE even though you employ a slew of technical writers on the Vista teams who are supposed to be doing this. If I were a PM at MSFT, I wouldn't dream of releasing Vista to the public without having given them one molecule of instruction on how to repair the operating system with new tools. What kind of consideration for your customers does that show???????? Absolutely none!!!***
Good luck Tinkerer,
CH

"Tinkerer" wrote in message I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)
--
Cheers, Tinkerer

I tried that solution, changing the parameters of the command to fit my system, but no luck. Interesting thing here though, is that when I boot from the DVD, go to the System Recovery Options and load hdd drivers, the Vista OS is visible, but the XP OS is not. Thanks Michael!
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Cheers, Tinkerer
"MICHAEL" wrote in message

"Chad Harris" wrote in message You should be able to also freeze the BSOD same way as in XP: .
Hit the windows + pause break key (brings up System Properties dialogue box>advanced tab>at the bottom of box hit the settings button under the heading "startup and recovery">Clear the Automatically restart check box, and click OK the necessary number of times.Restart your computer for the settings to take effect.
See: (to save a link for this):
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx
Okay... so, you put the Vista installation disk in and have it boot from the disk. Then at the install screen, hit install, then the language screen, and then "Recovery Options" should be listed. Right? Can the recovery options be run from the disk after booting up into Vista or XP?
This could have come in handy for me yesterday. After using this beta for about two weeks and rather impressed with it- for a beta- last night I could not boot into Vista. The boot screen showed both OSs, but when I chose Vista, it said could not find winload.exe (?). I could boot to XP.
Thanks to a post by droid about accessing bootsect.exe from the DVD via XP, I ran the cmd "d:\boot\bootsect /nt60 F:" This seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks for pointing me that way, droid.
-Michael

The windows + pause break key doesn't seem to work. The blue screen flashes up too quickly.
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Cheers, Tinkerer
"Tinkerer" wrote in message

I have already used the System Recovery Options that are on the DVD, and haven't had any luck with that. The Startup repair tool can't fix the problem and doesn't give me any meaningful information in that it doesn't find anything wrong, just says there was a setup failure. I'll try the windows + pause break key to see if it's a more permanent solution than F8 on bootup. Thanks Chad!
--
Cheers, Tinkerer
"Chad Harris" wrote in message You should be able to also freeze the BSOD same way as in XP: .
Hit the windows + pause break key (brings up System Properties dialogue box>advanced tab>at the bottom of box hit the settings button under the heading "startup and recovery">Clear the Automatically restart check box, and click OK the necessary number of times.Restart your computer for the settings to take effect.
See: (to save a link for this):
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx
I want to give you some information on Recovery/Repair Options in Vista since it's a great metaphor for MSFT's "Let them Eat Cake" approach to their non-enterpise cusotmers. MSFT's SR team and the Win RE team and associated teams should get off their butts and make a Video that is comprehensive for the public and start giving some Live Meetings for the Public on this feature. I don't see any scheduled anywhere from them. Past ones I've seen throw up a Win RE slide with tiny bullet points and then don't explain the bullet points--suggesting that the Vista team needs a little Power Point 101.
***To fix your Vista Boot use your Vista DVD and use the Win RE options this way:***
There is a promising "feature" or utility in Vista called Win RE or Windows Recovery Environment. Unfortunately, MSFT has published ***no information on it on their site,*** so that if Vista evokes a metaphor of a broad horizon, they are encouraging you to explore many of the features in it by flying by the seat of your pants. What I'm saying is it was unprofessional and brain dead of MSFT to release Vista to the public with no info anywhere on their site or in Help on how to use their recovery tools:
How to Use Win RE to fix your Vista Boot:
***Accessing Windows RE (Repair Environment):***
1) Insert Media into PC
2) ***You will see on the Vista logo setup screen after lang. options in the lower left corner, a link called "System Recovery Options."***
3) Select your OS for repair.
4) Its been my experience that you can see some causes of the crash from the Win RE feature, but as is SOP with errors from Windows, most of them are written in unintelligible encrypted language, hex or otherwise, that are often metastatically and ectopically scattered to the four corners of the operating system. They also have cute names like Sometimes at least one of them is in English.
From ***Help in Vista***--(No mention on several of the Win RE options like Fabricant).
If you type Win RE in current Vista Help and Support you come up with this scant information: ( I was curious to see what the Win RE associated teams offer and it's very scant considering they have nothing on the MSFT site at all and two elementary school level paragraphs in the cheerleading so-called Windows Product Guide):
Startup Repair. Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from starting. It is located on the Windows installation disc and, depending on your computer, might also be stored on your computer's hard disk. For more information, see Startup Repair: frequently asked questions.
Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from starting correctly. When you run Startup Repair, it scans your computer for the problem and then tries to fix it so your computer can start correctly.
If you experience problems while trying to run Startup Repair, or if your computer does not include the Startup Repair tool, your computer manufacturer might have customized or replaced the tool. Check the information that came with your computer or go to the manufacturer's website.
How do I use Startup Repair? Startup Repair is located on the Windows installation disc. If Windows fails to start, insert the Windows installation disc, restart your computer, and click View system recovery options (advanced). Type a user name and password of an account on the computer, and then click Startup Repair from the list of recovery tools. If necessary, Startup Repair might prompt you to make choices as it tries to fix the problem.
Some computer manufacturers might install Startup Repair on your computer's hard disk. If Windows does not start correctly, Startup Repair can start automatically and try to fix the problem. If Startup Repair is stored on your hard disk, you can also access the system recovery options menu from the Windows Advanced Startup Options menu. For more information, see Advanced startup options (including safe mode).
(Theoretically Vista back up the registry every six hours and makes these backups available to Win RE. System Restore can also be run from Win RE outside Windows now theoretically but the SR team did not set it up to save the restore points you have if you go to your XP boot--ridiculous and as of this moment they haven't got Vista manufacturing restore points the way it was designed to do and often it won't.Win RE can be launched directly from the installation media that MSFT saysit will mail out to people if they pay for shipping. If you burn the ISO, Win RE canbe launched directly from it. It fixed a registry corruption caused by theerratic damaging SFC (SystemFile Checker) that the developers and Product Managers on the Vista team have crafted for Vista. This tool is targeting fixing corruptdrivers, registry corruption, drivers and that are not compatible with your hardware, and OS upgrades that are unstable and crash with BSOD stop errors, and a few other no start problems that will be elucidated when and if someone from MSFT ever rights an intelligent article on this feature.
In other words, they turned Vista loose on the public without explaining many of its features, includingthe ones that are designed to save your OS. I consider saving the OS a fairly important priority. It's hard for me to discern what priority MSFT gives it.
***Note to you MSFTies in the secluded campus with no contact with the real world outside the Redmond Washington campus when it comes to using a computer and how to help your public Vista users (since you have no sense or seeming concern whatsoever that people subenterprise actually try to use and fix Vista and other software you make, Why don't you go next door and see how your non-computer employed neighbors can use Win RE? I already have discussed the fact that 500 million projected OEM preinstalled Vista buyers won't actually have access to Win RE because as in XP the OEM media won't reach it (in XP 99% of the time the media from OEM won't repair and it can't do a Repair Install in XP{
***What that means in the real world all you Softies is you have scores of people who need to use the tool, being told anything but information about the tool, because you haven't gotten off your slow butts and written up a decent article on Technet or MSDN on Win RE even though you employ a slew of technical writers on the Vista teams who are supposed to be doing this. If I were a PM at MSFT, I wouldn't dream of releasing Vista to the public without having given them one molecule of instruction on how to repair the operating system with new tools. What kind of consideration for your customers does that show???????? Absolutely none!!!***
Good luck Tinkerer,
CH

"Tinkerer" wrote in message I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)
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Cheers, Tinkerer

You sir, are an ignorant bollocks.
To assume someone is stupid because they ask questions is just plain stupid itself.
The whole purpose of this board is to help people with Vista questions and problems.
Vista will be sold to millions of people around the world when it released to the public. Not everyone has the knowledge or skill that YOU may or may not have with computers and software.
May the fleas of 1000 camels infest the crack of your arse.

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Too stupid for a beta OS.
When you help someone like this they will just be back in a few more days with more stupid question.
This group is being flooded with moronic questions: How do I get a product key Where do I get a driver for xyz hardware Won't install on my lapotop Won't install on my computer circa 1968 My crappy video card won't run aero glass (the sky is falling) My crappy sound card doesn't work Can't figure out how to activate Will my 16 bit program from 1992 run on Vista How long can I use Vista Beta How do I dual boot I NEED STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO GET XP BACK cannot delete windows.old file
Ignore them, children should only listen to adult conversations, not be incouraged to join in.
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:58:03 -0400, "Tinkerer" wrote:
I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP. I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array. I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install, and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it. How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so, which file in which directory do I need to modify? Any help would be greatly appreciated! :-)